Feb. 18, 2025

Tim Burton’s Big Fish & The Power of Storytelling, Fatherhood and Legacy ft. Thomas from The Joy Schtick Show

Episode Summary:
In this episode of The Fandom Portals Podcast, Aaron welcomes Thomas from The Joy Shtick Podcast, Challenge Accepted Podcast, and his newest project, The Sick Burn Podcast. Together, they dive into Big Fish (2003), a film that blends fantasy and reality while exploring deep themes of love, loss, and legacy.

Aaron and Thomas discuss how Big Fish changed their perspectives on storytelling, father-son relationships, and the power of memory. They reflect on the way stories shape our understanding of the past, why Tim Burton’s approach to this film stands out, and how Ewan McGregor’s performance brings Edward Bloom’s world to life.

If Big Fish has ever made you reflect on your own relationships or the way stories shape your life, this episode is a must-listen. 🎧✨

⏳ Timestamps & Topics:

00:00 - Welcome & Episode Overview
01:50 - Guest Introduction – Thomas talks about his podcasts and upcoming projects
06:26 - Gratitude & Growths – Reflecting on challenges and appreciation
09:04 - First Takes – Our first encounters with Big Fish and why it stuck with us
15:45 - Reel Deal – Tim Burton’s storytelling style and Ewan McGregor’s role
20:55 - Symbolism of Color – How fantasy and reality are visually separated
27:32 - The Power of Perspective – Seeing our parents differently as we grow
42:44 - Most Valuable Takeaways (MVTs) – What this film teaches us
50:13 - Devil’s Avocado – Was Edward Bloom truly unfaithful?
57:48 - Sign-Off & Final Thoughts

🌟 Key Takeaways:

Big Fish is about more than fantasy—it’s about understanding life through stories.
The film shows how perspectives on our parents shift as we age.
Tim Burton’s direction creates a perfect blend of whimsy and emotional depth.
Edward Bloom’s storytelling is a way of coping, teaching, and preserving his legacy.
The film’s emotional ending is a masterclass in how to say goodbye.

🗣️ Memorable Quotes:

🎭 "A man tells his story so many times, he becomes the stories. And in that way, he is immortal." – Aaron quoting Big Fish
🎬 "This movie doesn't use a lot of CGI—there are so many practical effects, and they make it feel more real." – Thomas

🔗 Links & Resources:

🌍 Visit GeekFreaksPodcast.com for all fandom news!
🎙️ Follow Thomas’ podcasts: Joy Shtick, Challenge Accepted, & Sick Burn Podcast.

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Chapters

00:00 - Welcome & Episode Overview

01:50 - Guest Introduction – Thomas talks about his podcasts and upcoming projects

06:26 - Gratitude & Growths – Reflecting on challenges and appreciation

09:04 - First Takes – Our first encounters with Big Fish and why it stuck with us

15:45 - Tim Burton’s storytelling style and Ewan McGregor’s role

20:55 - How fantasy and reality are visually separated

27:32 - Seeing our parents differently as we grow

50:13 - Was Edward Bloom faithful all his life?

57:48 - Sign off and final thoughts

Transcript

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Hello everybody and welcome to the Fandom Portals podcast.

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This is the podcast where we explore the fandoms that help us learn and grow.

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Today I am joined by a very special guest.

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His name is Thomas and he is from the Joy Shtick podcast.

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He is also a frequent member of the Challenge Accepted podcast and he's just started a new podcast called the Sick Burn podcast.

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He's a really influential dude and it has been such a pleasure to communicate with him on one of our favorite movies, big Fish.

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So in this episode we actually go into the artistry that is Tim Burton.

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We talk in depth about father-son relationships and the lessons that fathers can sometimes try to impart onto sons.

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We get a bit deep in this episode, guys, and we get a bit personal as well in terms of the content that we cover.

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We get a bit deep in this episode, guys, and we get a bit personal as well in terms of the content that we cover.

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So just a bit of a warning there we do cover topics such as loss and grief as well, but if you are somebody who resonates with this episode, feel free to reach out to us on our social medias or email us.

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Those links are in the show notes below.

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We'd love to hear your stories, guys.

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This has been a really special episode and one of my all-time favorite movies big fish.

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If you haven't seen it, make sure you go out and check it out, and we hope you enjoy this podcast as well.

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Guys, thank you so much for tuning in and for being a part of the fandom portals podcast.

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This week we have been looking at the movie Big Fish and I'm joined by a very special guest.

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His name is Thomas and he's from the Joysticks Show and a lot, lot of other kind of podcasts as well.

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How you going today, thomas?

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Pretty good.

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Yeah, thank you so much for having me Loving the episodes you've been putting out, man.

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It's been really, really great.

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But I also want to shout out, you know, challenge Accepted on the Geek Freaks Network.

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We're on the same network together.

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And then, yeah, new podcast coming soon called Sick Burn Podcast.

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And with those new podcasts that you're doing, obviously the Sick Burn one.

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All of these can be followed on Instagram.

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By the way people, they'll be in the show notes below.

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Sick Burn's a little bit of a passion project for you.

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Did you want to talk a little bit about that?

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Because I love what you've got going on there too.

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Yeah, yeah, thank you, yeah.

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So, basically, I was in a pretty bad accident in 2019 and it left me very badly beat up.

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It was in the hospital for a long time recovering from that.

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And then I get out of the hospital and it's COVID, you know, and I think, the world.

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I saw a lot of people who were scared and I saw a lot of sadness and I saw, you know, just a lot of despair out there and I really wanted to.

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I don't know.

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I guess I learned so much from my accident and I found so many positives from it too later on and I just kind of wanted to share some of that.

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But I know that just my story alone won't be enough to kind of reach out to a ton of people.

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So I'm bringing on other guests who've had these low moments, these hitting rock bottom moments, and how they took those lessons from those incidents and then used it to find happiness, find success, find peace, and so, yeah, that's kind of the whole idea around Sick Burn podcast.

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The catchphrase is where we explore the bright side to life's darkest moments and, yeah, it's been a fun little, like you said, passion project for me.

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No, it looks really awesome.

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I'm following you, jenny, on social media and I can't wait for the episodes to drop because I think it's just a great space to chat and for people to listen to as well.

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People need, you know, some more places like that to feel safe and comfortable to express the things that they need to express.

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I admire what you're doing and it takes a lot of bravery as well to you know, talk about yourself in that kind of manner and like be vulnerable in that sort of space.

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So very, very admirable, thomas.

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I love what you're doing there.

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This is too kind, man.

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Thanks it's.

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Yeah, it's pretty easy Once you've kind of been embarrassed in so many situations in a gown in the hospital.

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After that, no shame, yeah, no.

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I can see that.

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That's so good, man.

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I love it.

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I can't wait for it to come out.

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Do you know, timeline wise, when it's going to drop, or is it just like how it's happening at the moment?

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You're just seeing how the tetris blocks align and picking a date later?

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yeah, so hopefully right now we'll be launching uh by the end of february.

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Uh, yeah, it's based in san diego and it's pretty cool.

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You know, I've been lucky enough to to sign on with the studio, so we're getting as many guests as we can in the studio.

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Obviously, obviously, there will still be kind of remote options going on, but end of February, and if you got any ideas or topics you want to explore, there will be moments of solo episodes where we focus on topics like confidence or anger or self-doubt, all that kind of stuff too.

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So if you have something you want to throw in the mix and have us explore, I'm fully game for it.

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That sounds absolutely awesome.

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Yeah, I'll definitely be following very closely and I'll be one of those guys that email the podcast a lot.

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So, be prepared.

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All the emails and reviews.

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Keep it coming.

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That's exactly my point of view as well.

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Anytime somebody sends something to you about the podcast, I read it so feverishly.

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It's awesome to get feedback.

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So, yeah, I'm looking forward to it.

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All right, so, as we, as we talked about, we're talking about the movie big fish.

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Uh, this, this episode.

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I I kind of watched this movie and I really wanted to do an episode on fandom portals and before we sort of get into it, we will start with our gratitudes and growths.

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But, yeah, I'm really thankful that you were willing to come on and talk to me about it, thomas, because obviously it does touch on some pretty personal themes for people.

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So, yeah, just as we're going through, just be prepared, everybody, that we might sort of go into some areas like that.

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And, yeah, I just want to thank you so much for joining me and going on this ride with me.

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I couldn't think of anybody better to do it with.

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So, appreciate you.

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Thank you, man, I appreciate this.

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We talked of me.

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I couldn't think of anybody better to do it with, so appreciate you.

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Oh, thank you, man, I appreciate this.

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Uh, we talked about this movie actually on challenge accepted.

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I've talked about it on a couple different podcasts actually, but to this day I remember, at 16 years old, watching it, uh, where, where I was on this couch with with one of my first real serious girlfriends and her trying to flirt with me and me being like no, no, no, no, no, no, no, stop, stop, stop it.

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I'm trying to watch this movie and it's like that's how much I loved it and it's crazy.

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Now, some 20 years later, I'm still.

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I still consider this my favorite movie and it's very yeah, it's very interesting because I can see myself, you know, going and aging with this movie and seeing it from different perspectives.

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So I appreciate you having me on to let me talk about it.

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That's so awesome, man.

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And yeah, that kind of falls into our gratitudes and growths, which is what we do, because each week we begin by sharing a personal gratitude for the week or we can talk about a growth or an area that we need to grow on.

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My gratitude is obviously thanking you for coming on the podcast with me, but also my gratitude is being free on the weekends for me, because you know, there are some people that have no choice.

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They have to work through the week or they have to work weekends or shift work and things like that.

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But for me, I always have that weekend bracket free and it's a great time for me to chalk out and spend with my kids in a very valuable kind of way.

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So, yeah, it's my favorite kind of time, is my gratitude for this week is just really appreciative of the weekend time with the kids and, again, as I said, the time with you to the podcast and talk about this, this awesome movie.

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So what about yourself in terms of of gratitudes or growths for the week, thomas?

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How are you going?

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Yeah, I love your gratitudes, by the way, I think that's awesome and, yeah, I you know.

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For me, I think it's something we don't do a lot, or at least when I see online, I don't see a lot of people talking about gratitude, what they're thankful for.

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And if you have done any little bit of research into mental health science.

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It's like one of the best ways to stay happy, to combat depression, to combat, just, you know, the side effects of society, if you will.

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And yeah, I think this week I was grateful for, I am grateful for the healthy challenges.

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You know I've been lucky that I got to focus on this new podcast coming up and I've really tried to push myself in ways where, you know, I'm stepping out a little bit For me, for other people I'd be like, oh, that's nothing, you know you're.

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You know, don't worry about any of that.

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Oops, sorry, but I think, yeah, I think what I'm grateful for is that I'm able to put myself in a place where I can challenge myself and try to be a little bit more brave and be able to speak about things that maybe other people don't.

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So, yeah, and then just having support and friends, like getting to meet you and being on this podcast, I think this is all great things that the world needs more of.

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Yeah, man, I can totally relate.

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All great things that the world needs more of, yeah, I mean, I can totally relate because I the reason I started the Gratitudes and Grows thing was because I feel like one is a great way to sort of get to know people and it sort of it puts things into perspective for you as well, because I read somewhere as well that if you're, if you're consistently trying to look for gratitudes, then it kind of shifts the way that you think in terms of how you perceive a day or how you perceive an event or a movie or things like that.

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So I just thought that was just like a really kind of poignant thing to start, just to sort of kick off.

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And, yeah, I, I appreciate that you you like it so much and thanks for joining me on the gratitude.

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It's awesome yeah, no thanks for having me.

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This is great.

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This sets the mood for this kind of positive movie, though, right yeah, I think so, I think so, I think so.

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All right, let's jump into our first take segment.

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All right, our first take segment is where we discuss how we first encountered the media, what our initial impressions of the media were, our feelings of the media and how we felt after we watched it.

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We also sort of share some of our community's thoughts on this as well.

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If we have any sort of responses from threads at this point and, yeah, if you want to join in those sorts of conversations, the threads link is in the uh description below.

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So before we jump in on that, the the sort of plot outline of this movie.

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We're doing big fish.

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Uh, we are looking at big fish today dad, I have no idea who you are.

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What do you you want, will?

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Who do you want me to be?

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Just yourself, just show me who you are.

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For once, discover an adventure as big as life itself.

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In telling the story of my father's life, bravo, company go Doesn't always make sense but that's what kind of story this is, big Fish.

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It's kind of about a frustrated son that tries to determine the fact in the fiction from his father's life as he is dying.

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It's told from two perspectives One that's set very much in the past and tells the story of Edward Bloom when he was a young man.

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It's very highly fantasized and fictionalized, as his father is a storyteller by nature, and then that couples with the darker sort of undertone of of his father being old.

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So edward bloom being old, and his son will uh gripping with the fact that he never really knew his father because of the stories that he told.

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So, uh, that's a little bit of the plot outline.

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We might start with you, though, for your first takes, thomas.

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You kind of went into it a little bit earlier.

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But how did you first encounter this movie?

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How did you feel after watching it?

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yeah, I know I totally jumped the gun on that, sorry, but uh, yeah, high school and I don't know why we selected it again.

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It like when it was serious for me, which was just like maybe handholds and a few kisses and stuff, and like with this, this girl, that we were at her, you know, at her house, and for some reason we just put on this movie and from the second I watched it, all of a sudden it really made me feel like, oh, I get this guy, I'm from Hawaii and we talked about it before we started recording.

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What's Hawaii really like?

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People have those perceptions of it being this holiday place and just being casual laid back, and it is those things, you know, just being casual laid back, and it is those things.

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But I think I always felt that I wanted to do more.

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You know, I love Hawaii and I love my family and my friends and the people there, but I also wanted to experience the world and see what else was out there and was.

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I meant for more, and so when you watch the story of Edward, it really kind of spoke to me.

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But then there was this counterside where in my growing up, my dad is a huge storyteller and so he's a salesperson but he tries to just connect with people and that's really how he's been so successful at selling.

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But I can't tell you how many times growing up I heard him tell the same story over and over again.

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If there's something that happened on the weekend, he would tell it 10 times in one day and it would drive me nuts.

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And then every time it would become more bombastic and more over the top and it used to just frustrate the hell out of me.

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And so, from multiple angles, I really kind of understood Edward and I really understood Will.

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And so it was like this weird thing when I was watching the movie the first time that I just really felt spoken to and, yeah, I was like holy crap, I don't know how this movie came into existence, it just felt like it was made for me, yeah.

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Man.

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So much of what you said resonates because my first take of this movie I watched it with my father and I was probably a similar age 14, 15, 16, somewhere around there and he watched it and it was one of the first times I remember seeing my dad cry for one to a movie and then for two.

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Yeah, I looked at that and I was a little bit confused because I didn't conceptually understand the movie for what it was.

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I think when I was a kid and I watched it I was definitely taken up with the fantastical elements of Ed Bloom's story.

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I was looking at the fantasy, I was looking at the fairy tale and I was thinking it was just like a whimsical fantasy tale.

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And then I look to my dad and he's like by the end of the movie he's started to tear up and cry and I'm thinking how like this is a man that I've seen that's been pretty strong all his life tearing up to a movie like this that features, you know, giants and wolves and twins and things like that.

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I'm like, yeah, there's something deeper here.

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And I rewatched it again last year and then again this year and then again before this podcast.

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I've seen it a few times and, as we talked about before, each time I've watched it I've taken something new or different away, and I think for me I'm obviously drawn into that father-son story at the central sort of crux of the movie.

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But I find myself just like Will trying to find the truth in the fantasy sort of story.

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I don't know what draws me to that, but like when Ed Bloom sort of starts to tell his fantastical tales, I'm like, okay, so what part of this is the true thing that happened to him?

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And then what sort of fantastical element has he embellished into this story here?

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And then obviously there's the themes that go through it as well.

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So I think for me, each time I've watched it it's been different.

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But that first time that thing that really drew me in was the fact that, yeah, this is one of the first movies that I watched and saw my father just have an emotional response to which was like and he's not like a cold man or a callous man or anything like that, but he wasn't one to really like become emotional.

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Show his emotions, yeah, towards movies at least.

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So that was just different for me and I think that, yeah, for my first take, it's just yeah, this is just a movie that's kind of stuck with me and I wanted to revisit it again when I was a bit older.

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So, just like you, I think this is up there for me.

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I'm just going to talk about some things about like the movie.

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For example, this was directed by Tim Burton.

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Not really a fan of Tim Burton usually I love his two Batman movies and I kind of stay away from his more weirder stuff because that's not really my style.

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And, yeah, watching this one it's kind of a step away from from what he usually does, but it's still got those tim burton sort of elements in it.

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Did you know this was directed by tim burton when you you watched it?

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Are you a fan of tim burton's work?

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you know not, not originally I didn't know it was tim burton and it was years later.

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When I re-watched again I was like, wait, what tim burton?

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Because you can kind of see it with the over the topness and with some of the fantastical elements, especially when he goes through the woods to get to the town of Spectre.

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You're like, okay, I could see some Tim Burton here.

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But you're right, it is kind of subdued for him.

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It's not as over the top, it's not as like almost farcical.

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You know, like you would get from a beetle juice or, uh, edward schuster hands or something like that, where it's like so over the top.

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But this is, yeah, this is um a lot more grounded in a weird way.

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You know, when you're looking at the relationship from will's perspective, it's very, to me, very grounded for a tim burton thing.

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And uh, yeah, I, I guess I didn't realize that till way later on yeah, yeah, and I think for me that that sort of grounded aspect is enough to keep me in, because I have a very, I'll say, squeamish sort of appetite for movies that sort of make me feel uncomfortable.

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But I think Tim Burton, in this sort of regard, it's sort of just enough.

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And the fantastical element of it is, yeah, it's really amazing because it's poignant to the story and to Ed Bloom's character as well, starring Ewan McGregor, albert Finney and Billy Kudrup.

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I think Ewan McGregor in this one he kind of has two styles, doesn't he, ewan McGregor?

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When we look at him he's got the like the train spotting Ewan McGregor that we see.

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That's a little bit unhinged.

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And then we've got this innocence of Ewan McGregor that we see in this movie.

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Or we see it in movies like um, like the Winnie the Pooh movie, when he plays Christopher Robin, or we see it in Moulin Rouge.

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He kind of plays that innocent sort of a doe-eyed, very much in love sort of character.

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I really liked Ewan McGregor in this movie.

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What about yourself?

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yeah, yeah, I think you said it amazingly well.

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But it's this perspective that he has in this determination in this movie, right, it, it's just inspiring.

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And, yeah, there is an innocence to him and yet there some people could say, hey, he's just being naive, but everything he commits to it ends up working.

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So, you know, I think that did speak to me too as a kid, where it's like, hey, he has this determination and if you work hard for it and if you stay lightning focused on this, like you can achieve it.

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And of course, you know like as you age, things become more and more apparent.

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But as a kid, gosh, that really spoke to me.

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I'm like I could do this, you know, and I found ways to kind of motivate myself and maybe it was credit to this movie really kind of seeping into my subconscious.

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But I think I just love his determination in it and his positivity and, yeah, again, there's a little bit of naivety, but it also it just keeps working out because he's kind about it, because he really does care, at the root of why he's doing everything.

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Uh, yeah, I just I, I really love ewan mcgregor.

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It's probably one of my favorite roles that I've seen him in yeah, it's probably one of mine too, definitely top three.

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I think that and the color that Tim Burton uses in the fantastical sort of story sequences, combined with the later sequences when Will's around and Ed is an older man and he's getting sick, just that color shift palette really sets the tone and the mood, because you're in that whimsical sort of storytelling land which is obviously the intention of Ed Bloom's stories is to make them that sort of fantastical place.

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But then when he's in his the real world, we'll say with quotes and he's you know, he's suffering from from an illness and he's at the end of his life.

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It's almost like blues and grays and undertones of browns and things like that that you're watching and visually seeing and his son's all kind of morose in that area too.

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So even that visual storytelling style that tim burton uses in this is very juxtaposing and I like that because it it literally symbolizes what the characters are feeling in those moments.

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So it's very talented kind of area for tim burton and the cinematography team to do in this movie is.

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It's really good such a great call out.

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You're right, as we look at some of the maybe fairy tales in this story, there's like a haze on it, almost like a filter and I think about it all the time when he gets to specter, because that first time he gets there before one, the town is pristine and everybody's not wearing shoes and they're dancing in the middle of the road on the grass which is perfectly cut too.

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The grass is just immaculate.

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Everybody's lawn needs to be like specters right and that adds to another fantastical element too.

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But you know, when you, when he later goes back and the town it has kind of fallen apart because they put up that road and it's completely changed the town, it it loses that filter.

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And so I think it's, it's you're so right, like I've thought about this, but not in that word, like it's all of a sudden you've said it.

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Now it's clicked in my head that you're, you're right.

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There's, it's also showing whose perspective we're seeing this part of the story from.

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And you, it's, you're right.

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It's such a good way to kind of show us you know the storytelling when he first went to the circus.

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Uh, and there's obviously the color shifts and the beautiful sort of dynamics there.

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But there's a scene that shifts and the beautiful sort of dynamics there.

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But there's a scene that comes to mind where he talks about the first moment that he saw Sandra, his future wife.

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Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, thank you all for coming.

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Grab on safely everyone.

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Thank you for coming.

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It was on everyone, thank you for coming.

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It was on that night Carl met his destiny and I met mine, almost.

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They say when you meet the love of your life, time stops, and that's true.

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And then there's that scene that everybody's seen the picture of, of ewan mcgregor walking through the frozen space, uh, ducking between the circus actors and moving the popcorn aside, and it's just like that.

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For me is it's such a good representation of what it's like when a young man falls in love or sees, sees, the lady of his dreams, because time obviously doesn't really stop, but you have blinders, there is nothing else that you can see, and there's nothing else that you are thinking about and there's nothing else that you're motivated by.

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And that's reflected in Ed's story as well, because in the fantastical story he says he works for Amos, who's played by Danny DeVito, the circus handler.

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He works with him for free and the only thing he wants in return is one piece of information every month.

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And that kind of drive and that kind of determination for you know the woman that you love, when you see that, I found that very sort of endearing to me, because I'm a guy that hearts on the sleeve as soon as you.

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Yeah, if you feel something, you go for it, that kind of thing and it's just, yeah, I think ed bloom sort of reflected that and that was the scene for me.

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That was just like this guy he he's truly in love with, with his wife, you know, and it mirrors to me the journey that men go through when they have that moment.

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I don't know if you can relate, but like when you, when you meet somebody and you have that sort of I want, I want to be with this person, you kind of he and he does as well he kind of starts to analyze his entire life and Amos says you know, you're a big shot back in Ashton, and now you're here you've got no job, you've got no prospects, like who, who the heck are you?

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And as a man you kind of reflect on that and you're just like what do I have to offer a woman that you want to protect and provide for for the rest of your life?

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So you go through that change and you work hard, just like Edward did.

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And then my favorite part of it, the symbolic part of it, was Edward's backpack gets stolen at the circus and for me that kind of symbolized.

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The backpack that he took from Ashton had everything, every single one of his possessions, that reflected who he was as a person when he left his small town and when he lost his backpack it was almost like that moment of now I'm becoming a new man.

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I've lost, or I still have, everything from my past, but it's now lost, so to speak, and I'm changing.

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So it was that moment there.

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And these kind of subtleties are just riddled through the whole movie and it's just every perspective that I look at is a different time to analyze and a different look at the stage of Ed's life and how Edward, as a senior man, reflects on it and tells the story to his son.

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It's just like it's brilliant for me to look at and just pick apart which I know a lot of people might do or not, but brilliant for me to look at and just pick apart, and which I know a lot of people might do or not, but yeah, I loved it.

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You're right.

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Uh, yes, I think I'm a romantic at heart as well and and I was probably cheesy to say but yeah, that circus scene.

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When I watched it the first time, I was like that.

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That's the kind of love I want to find, you know, and that's how I want to feel about you know, whoever I'm married with and I think I I've had those moments, definitely with my wife now, so I'm very lucky.

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But, yeah, it was just this perfect representation of like the world doesn't matter at that moment.

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Once you find that person, it's like you're right, the blinders are on and you become laser focused, and I love it from just like the way that everything stops.

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This movie doesn't actually use a lot of, I feel like, cgi special effects.

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There's a lot of practical effects in this movie that are awesome, and this is one of those moments where there is like a little bit of CGI.

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He's walking through the hoop and he's brushing the popcorn and it all falls out of the sky.

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And even that moment it's like when you know, once time stops, everything speeds up, and I feel like I've felt that in a weird way.

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It was just this great kind of representation and I think you said you said it best when we were young.

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You know, especially as young men, you're like that first love, or you know you find you're like, oh my gosh, you're just so locked in it's a flood, isn't it?

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it's just like a massive flood that you get not feeling gay yeah, yeah, I just love that scene and I loved it again.

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The determination.

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And you talked about the backpack being taken.

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You're right.

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It's like did he really have everything inside of him or was it because he was a collection of things from his past?

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And so this is now like you can't rely on everything from the past.

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You have to then determine does that matter in who I am?

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And now moving forward.

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So, man, I think you nailed it.

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You're also like enlightening me to this movie that I've seen so many times.

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But I love that because he says to him you know, I may not have much, but I have more determination than any man you've ever met and I'm going to yeah, I'm going to keep pushing forward and months and months just to get little tidbits of her.

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It makes you think like, would I?

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Would I do that for the person I love?

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And, uh, it also makes you think, if I don't, if I wouldn't do that for the person I love, is it the right kind of love?

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And maybe, you know it's very Hollywood and maybe it's not the right representation, but I think it does speak to the romantic in me.

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Yeah, I agree, and I think this, this um, this shift that he went through with with the backpack as well, it kind of emulates the you know, because from his own town he had all the accolades, he was the sports star, he was one of the most popular people in his town and he had a lot of sort of possessions.

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But then, as you spoke about just then, he said I'm probably the most determined man that you'll ever meet, and that is a value as opposed to a possession.

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So when men go through this kind of thing, where they're going through a shift whether it be in career or you're starting a family or you've met the woman that you want to marry you really sort of look towards your values and you build from there.

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So he knows that he's determined, he knows that that's what he is as a person and he builds on from that and proves it at every point because he knows that those values are what he can offer this woman, as opposed to the things that he's bringing to the table.

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And and that is reflected also in the scene where he goes through these, I'll say, outlandish, but these absolutely bombastic romantic gestures, like the famous scene of the daffodils in the courtyard of auburn daffodils they're your favorite flower how did you get so many?

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I called everywhere, in five states.

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I told him it was the only way to get my wife to marry me you don't even know me, I'll have the rest of my life to find out.

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He's just standing there, this massive romantic gesture, and you know that is based on on the fact that he is he's determined enough to call these flower florists from five different counties and arrange it to all all be there.

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You know whether the story is true or not, and that's, that's the other thing.

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If the story is true, then that shows how romantic of a person he is.

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But if it is fantastical and that's the way that he presented how he met his mother to his son it's also edward senior, telling his son.

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You know, if you're determined and if you love a woman, these are the kinds of gestures that you know is is responsive and and reflect the way that you, you love somebody and this is how much I loved your mother as sort of how he's sort of reflecting it, because I always, as a father, I look at the stories that he's telling his son and I think to myself what lesson is he trying to teach his son in this?

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Because, oh, that's interesting.

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Yeah, because you know why do people tell stories?

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To entertain or to inform, and I think when Ed was telling these stories to Will as a young boy, it was definitely to entertain.

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It was bedtime stories.

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And then as he grew up, obviously it was more to inform.

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So the same stories he retold and retold, and retold because he knew that, yeah, these are fun stories for you as a kid, but also underlying, there is a message here that I want you to know about life and about values and about how to treat a woman and about your work ethic.

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And that's what I took from it as well.

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Every single story there's always a quote and he'll say and on that day I learned insert inspirational quote here.

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And that's kind of what I thought.

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You know, he's trying to teach his son these things as he grows.

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So, yeah, just full of takeaways.

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Interesting.

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Yeah, it's funny I've never looked at I mean, I don't have kids yet but I think I've never looked at the tulip scene or, sorry, the athelete scene and thought you know what lesson is he trying to teach his son here?

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But that's an interesting lens to look at it because you're right, on paper it's just like this over-exaggerative story about how he had to try to win his mom.

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But from the lesson, if you had to paint it that way, it's like if you truly love somebody, you have to go to this length, you know.

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And if you don't go to that length, it's not, you know, you're not doing enough.

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And I love that perspective because, yeah, it's showing his son and ultimately, when you look later on in the movie, will's a pretty good husband I'd say.

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You know he's a little bit blocked off, he's a little bit emotionally stunted, but he really does care for his wife and you know he's excited to become a father too and he's worried about it.

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But the dad's been teaching him all along like this is how you should treat your wife, or you know, know the mother of your kids.

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And yeah, it's, that's cool, that's very stupid on your end.

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Yeah, he um.

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The journey of will, I think, even though it's not in the fantastical realm, the journey of will, I think, is just as as awesome to me as ed's fantastical journey through the story, because will obviously comes to us as a character who's very morose and upset with his father, having not spoken to him for three, three years, and he he's obviously got a lot of animosity towards him because he never could find the truth behind the story.

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And as a viewer I was also looking for the truth behind the story, like what's the tidbit that's real in his, in his life here?

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And yeah, I want to, I want to sort of talk about our speculations on that a bit later.

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But you know, as as will progresses and obviously the the pit of the epitomous end scene of will joining him in his sort of storytelling and myth-making craft, whether it be to satisfy his father or whether it is a true acceptance that will has of his father and who he was as a man, it's just beautiful as a conclusion because either way you look at it, ed bloom has either created a very empathetic and sympathetic and amazing son that he will put aside his own animosities in that moment to send his father off in the correct way, which is amazing as a father to have provided that sort of lesson for his son, to him, for him to turn out that way.

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But then, in the next part of it, it could also mean that he, like he's truly taken on that sort of storytelling mantra and he knows that there are lessons to be learned in stories and there are purposes for them.

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And you know, his father might not have been a compulsive liar.

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It may have just been his way that he was communicating a mundane life, or it may have been the way he was communicating a lesson to him, or it yeah, it's just his, his kind of way.

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And another thing that I thought as well it might have been his way of communicating through like a post-traumatic stress oh okay, yeah, because his, his, his storytelling that we see him like.

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he obviously starts telling his son all these stories, and that's after he spent his time in the war.

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So all these sort of stories and these lessons that he's trying to teach, making them accessible, perhaps it's through that lens of him being sort of like stressed in the post-traumatic kind of way and releasing that to his son in that sort of perspective as well sort of perspective as well.

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Oh, that's interesting too.

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I've never thought about it that way, and you're completely right.

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I think you said something earlier about just kind of relating to his son and how stories entertain and then inform or inform, and I think it was.

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I think it's that like, there's this part where he is trying to entertain his son, but I think as he recites these stories over and over and over again, I think he really is trying to teach him something.

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You know, and you know the son wasn't, at least at the time or in certain ways, not receptive to the lessons.

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They might've been receptive to the entertainment, but you know, now you just see your dad as a liar or over-exaggerator.

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And I look back at my childhood too and I remember my dad telling the same stories over and over again and people just cracking up or laughing or being amazed by it, and I used to think, gosh, this is so over-exaggerative and why does he keep repeating this?

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I think I too had a lot of animosity at my dad for doing this thing.

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It's like, why are you being so overdramatic?

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And I have that a little bit.

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Anytime someone's being really overdramatic in a story or something, it kind of irks me.

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But now, if I can take a step back from that and look at what they're trying to do, it is to entertain, it is to excite us.

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But again, now, looking at my dad from the perspective of where I'm at, it's like there was lessons in here too.

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He was trying to teach not only me but a bunch of other people something in here about the way you operate in life, about the way you show up for people, about the way that life can be random and you need to maybe appreciate it or there's other perspectives on it.

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And, yeah, I think that's really a wonderful thing.

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And also, yeah, maybe this is his way of dealing with PTSD, With my accident.

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I've been diagnosed with that too, and it completely changes your perspective on the world.

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It really did for me.

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I had a complete perspective shift and I think I've always been positive and always thought things are going to work out for the best.

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But I never could have imagined me in this situation, and so you know, how do you operate from there?

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How do you then look at life?

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I think sometimes you have to create a new story in your head to really handle the difficult parts in your life, because little things then become bigger.

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I mean just truly everything from good and bad.

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And so, yeah, I like that kind of way of him trying to manifest his own healing because of how he tells stories, that's really unique.

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Yeah, and, man, I think that, first of all, thank you so much for sharing that, and I think that it's very sort of poignant to mention, because the way that he sort of tells stories we're talking about the values as well, and he's obviously trying to talk about determination when he's at the circus and he's working and then later on in the story he finds the town of Spectre in its new dilapidated state and the small amounts of wealth that he's found he's obviously used to try and help those people that helped him back then and that might have been another lesson that he's trying to teach them about how to treat people and and how you sort of use your, your wealth, or how you use your fortunate circumstances to help those that are less, and like those lessons that he's kind of underpinning throughout, as just it's and and and.

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Another one that I've just thought of now as well as a lesson when he was the first story that he ever tells in in this, this movie is one about the witch.

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You know, he goes into the swamp with his friends and there's a witch that has this eye that can tell you how you, how you, pass away.

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Now, if I'm thinking about why a father would tell a child that story.

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For me it comes back to the fact that you know, children are these anxious little things that you kind of have to send out into the world, into unknown situations, and you hope that you've given them enough in that time to survive and to have the tools to to reflect and bounce back if anything bad happens.

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Now ed bloom sort of the.

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The crux of that story is the fact that ed bloom knew how he was going to die and and he said I am okay with that, I'm fine with that.

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And then every sort of challenge that he goes through along the way, thinking of the forest, again, the trees were overcoming him, surrounding him, basically suffocating him, which I thought was an allegory for like an anxiety attack after leaving home.

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And as soon as he said this isn't how I go, the trees just retract, they drop him to the floor and that's almost like the way that Ed Bloom Sr was trying to tell his son, will, if you don't fear the unknown, if you don't fear your own mortality and live presently in the moment, then nothing can bother you and that's the biggest thing that will hold you back is your own anxiety on what might happen if you don't try.

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So yeah, that was because that witch scene threw me.

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At the start.

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I was like why would he tell his kid that?

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But then, yeah, when I was looking at why, I thought you know, that is just the perfect way to tell your kid.

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Well, it's not really perfect way, it's a little bit macabre, but you know, it's a great way to sort of tell him.

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You know, you will have these fears and they are real, but they should not stop you from doing the things that you want to do in your life and making that journey and taking that step.

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Yeah, oh God, I love that man.

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I didn't even.

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Again, you are blowing my mind.

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A movie I've seen so many times and I've just never looked at it from this perspective.

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But I've always looked at that story as how would you live if you knew you were going to die?

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You know how brave would you be, how determined would you be.

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How you know?

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Because, like, especially if you go out to your point in the world and you know you don't have a plan or seemingly don't have a plan, you're like how am I going to do this?

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How am I going to make it?

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You know, I've had so many shifts in my life personally where I've really kind of stepped out and be like I'm going to, I'm going to try this.

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You know, moving to again we call it the mainland, from Hawaii to mainland continental US.

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You know I'm like what am I?

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Was a pretty decent career.

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I realized like I want to take a chance and do my dream of becoming a commercial pilot and sold everything, quit my job, saved up and then went to flight school.

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Didn't know how that was going to work out.

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But all these moments, yeah, I was absolutely terrified and I didn't know how it was going to land.

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But I knew that if I didn't try, if I didn't believe in myself, if I didn't think that everything I had learned up to that point wouldn't get me through this, then I would have basically gotten my own way.

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And so I love that analogy you said of like him being wrapped up in the forest and that anxiety attack and just he continues to go out and step into bravery and realize like, hey, this, probably this isn't going to kill me.

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Not that it's not, you know, might not kill you, it's not going to kill me.

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So how do I step out in bravery with my full self and just go for this?

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And I love that.

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I think that's something I've tried to hold onto.

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Maybe I got it from this movie or other people in my life role models, but yeah, I feel like it really kind of speaks to me as a person and I think we actually do have these narratives in our head sometimes that stop us.

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You know, I think there are fears that we make up that aren't real, that really debilitate us and stop us from going after what we need, and sometimes it's okay to push back on those thoughts.

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It's okay to push back on those feelings and be like is this actually true or is this something I'm making up?

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Okay, to push back on those feelings and be like is this actually true or is this something I'm making up?

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And I really feel like in that moment, edward is saying like there was some stories I was telling myself and they weren't true, but I was able not to outthink it, not to even outplace it, but put something ahead of it.

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That's like this is the story I want to tell myself, which is hey, go out through this forest, get to Spectre, Maybe something's great out there.

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And it is actually great.

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So, yeah, I love what you brought up, gosh.

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I've learned so much about this movie I've seen so many times.

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Yeah, it spoke to me too, because I think growing up I'm a twin.

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So every single step that I made in life I always had somebody there with me, so it was never truly scary.

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So if we started a new school, I didn't have to worry about making friends because I always had one.

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If we moved to towns, I didn't have to worry about joining a new soccer team all by myself because I already had someone my age that was my friend as well and in a way that was amazing because it helped me to do lots of different things with that support.

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But also my twin brother moved away and then it became almost like a crutch, like I wasn't used to going out and hanging out in different sort of situations without um, without my brother there, or if I engaged in a like a new activity or I started a new job and I I didn't sort of have that support network there to go back to.

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So I had to learn and grow, to move past that, to sort of train myself and be sort of more present in my own sort of feelings.

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And I think the thing that I took away from that movie and the thing that I related to in that scene with the forest is, is Ed kind of?

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He does make that reality choice.

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You know, this isn't going to kill me for one, but then for two, he also like sits in that feeling for a while, like he sits in in the anxious feeling, the uncomfortable feeling, for a while.

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Like he sits in the anxious feeling, the uncomfortable feeling, for a while and then he realizes, you know, yes, this is uncomfortable, this is, this is not ideal, but I'm going to be okay.

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And and sitting in that feeling and being able to actually feel your feelings in a situation, in a way, something reacts to you, is probably the healthiest way, in my unprofessional opinion, to deal with something, because if you, if you repress it, or if you push it down, or if you deny its existence, it's a good way for it to resurface or it's a good way for you not to deal with it properly.

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But, yeah, just sitting with your feelings and just making, taking taking stock basically on how you're feeling in this moment, what's coming, how can I proceed in a productive manner, is just yeah, I think that's a lesson that he might have been trying to teach as well, and a yeah, I think throughout this movie, edward is a guy that sits with his feelings.

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You know he's traveling on all these different trips.

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When he starts selling the hand-o-matic or whatever that crazy device is, he's constantly, yeah, sitting with it.

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