Feb. 11, 2025

Exploring Star Trek: Diversity, Fandom & The Future of Humanity ft. Frank from The Geek Freaks Podcast

Episode Summary:
In this special episode of Fandom Portals, Aaron is joined by Frank from Geek Freaks Network to dive into Star Trek! Whether you’re a seasoned Trekkie or a newcomer, this episode is your guide to Star Trek’s vast fandom, its impact on diversity, and the hopeful future it envisions. They discuss the franchise’s origins, ethical dilemmas like the Prime Directive, and where to start watching.

Frank shares expert recommendations, breaks down iconic characters like Spock, Kirk, and Picard, and explains why Star Trek is one of the most influential sci-fi franchises of all time.

⏳ Timestamps & Topics:

0:00 – Welcome & Episode Overview
1:06 – Guest: Frank from Geek Freaks Podcast
2:58 – Gratitude & Growth: Personal reflections
5:02 – How we discovered Star Trek
8:38 – Where should newcomers start?
11:14 – The Prime Directive: Why is it always broken?
13:56 – Star Trek’s ground-breaking diversity
16:37 – The evolution of Klingons & other species
19:00 – Starfleet: The peak of human values
20:59 – No Money in the Future? The Federation’s economy
28:31 – The Discovery of Warp & its impact
31:05 – The Borg: Star Trek’s most terrifying villains
41:54 – Q: The trickster god of Star Trek
46:02 – Most Valuable Takeaway: What Star Trek teaches us
50:36 – Final thoughts

🎯 Key Takeaways:

✅ Star Trek envisions a future where humanity unites for progress
✅ The show pioneered diversity on TV, breaking racial barriers
✅ The Prime Directive raises thought-provoking ethical questions
✅ Strange New Worlds is a great starting point for new fans
✅ The Borg remains one of the most haunting villains in sci-fi
✅ Star Trek encourages us to strive for a better future

🎙️ Memorable Quotes:

🖖 "What if we figured it all out? What if humanity actually got it right?" – Frank
🖖 "Resistance is futile." – The Borg
🖖 "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few." – Star Trek’s core philosophy

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00:00 - Welcome & Episode Overview

01:06 - Guest: Frank from Geek Freaks Podcast

02:58 - Gratitude & Growth: Personal reflections

05:02 - How we discovered Star Trek

08:38 - Where should newcomers start?

11:14 - The Prime Directive: Why is it always broken?

13:56 - Star Trek’s ground-breaking diversity

16:37 - The evolution of Klingons & other species

19:00 - Starfleet: The peak of human values

20:59 - No Money in the Future? The Federation’s economy

28:31 - The Discovery of Warp & its impact

31:05 - The Borg: Star Trek’s most terrifying villains

41:54 - Q: The trickster god of Star Trek

46:02 - Most Valuable Takeaway: What Star Trek teaches us

50:36 - Final thoughts

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Hello and welcome to the Fandom Portals podcast, where we explore the fandoms that help us learn and grow.

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Today we have a very special episode in store for you guys.

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We're talking about Star Trek and not just any of the movies.

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We're talking about the whole fandom in general, and we're not doing it alone.

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Brash is not joining me for this one, but we do have a very special guest whose name is Frank.

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It might sound familiar to you because he is the leader of our network here at the Geek Freaks Network, and he also has appeared on the show before.

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Back in episode 5 he talked to us all about Game of Thrones and House of the Dragons.

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So he has a wealth of knowledge on lots of different fandoms and in this week's episode you guys are going to learn everything you need to know to begin your Star Trek fandom journey.

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We're also going to talk about how Star Trek can pioneer, or has pioneered, the diversity in human society through its creation in 1966.

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And we're also actually going to talk about the aspirational human experience that we can learn from the future, that we may be able to apply for a better present.

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So I want to really thank and shout out Frank from the Geek Freaks.

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If you want to check him out, he is at the Geek Freaks everywhere.

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He is also the host of the Geek Freaks podcast and the Challenge Accepted podcast, so make sure you go and show them some love there from the Fandom Portals podcast.

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And we hope you enjoy this episode on Star Trek with our very special friend.

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All right, enjoy.

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I'm here with a very special guest.

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His name is Frank and he is the fearless leader of the Geek Freaks Network.

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You might say he was very kind to take me under his wing early in my podcast journey.

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So Frank is here to talk to us about one of his passion areas of Star Trek.

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So how are you going today, frank?

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I'm doing very well, so happy to be on the podcast and, of course, talking about last time I was on Game of Thrones, now it's Star Trek.

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We Last time I was on Game of Thrones, now it's Star Trek.

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We'll just keep going through all my fandoms.

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I'm cool with that.

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Yeah, that sounds good.

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Well, yeah, man, the Game of Thrones one was so good, I learned so much from you on that day.

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It was, yeah, and you always sort of mention Star Trek on your podcast, the Geek Freaks podcast.

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It's hard to avoid.

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Yeah, it just sort of watching Star Trek, strange New Worlds, and I've basically I told you before, but I've picked up my Star Trek knowledge from meme culture and just some late night episodes that I've caught here and there some movies, but I digress, we'll go through that a little bit later in the episode Every single time we start a Fandom Portals episode, from about episode 15 or so onwards, we've done a gratitudes and grosses to start off with.

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So that's why each week we begin by sharing like a personal gratitude for the week and something that we might need to grow on.

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You can share whatever you feel comfortable with.

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Uh, if you wanted to start, that'd be great, if not, all right, I'll kick us off.

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Yeah, yeah, um, I'm I'm grateful for uh, my friends, because right now, like uh, with, with recording stuff, like that, a lot of people in their 30s and almost 40s don't don't get to celebrate like the normal geek stuff with their friends and luckily we all get to, so I'm pretty grateful for that.

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That's one of the big benefits to podcasting is that you talk like you're in high school still with your friends about Star Trek, star Wars and Marvel and DC.

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All the fun stuff.

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And you got to hold space for that, don't you?

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You've got to really make the time for chatting to friends.

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How about you?

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Yeah, so for me, my gratitude.

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I've got a lot to be grateful for, but I think I'm grateful for my body.

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I'm grateful for my body.

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So, yeah, as you know, I suffered an injury through sports recently and my body's still able to bounce back and recover pretty well.

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So I'm yeah, I'm, I'm really grateful for that.

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I'm grateful for, you know, just being able to move around like normal again.

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So that's what I'm grateful for, that's my thing with age that recovery time gets longer and longer, so enjoy it while you can.

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Yeah, yeah even even after just like a training session or two, because I started to go, go back here and there just to keep my physical fitness up, like my legs man, just I wouldn't get a pulled muscle ever.

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And then now it's like every training session, I'm like, oh, is that calf twinging?

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It's just you got to.

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Yeah, that's probably something I'm grateful for as well, you know, and probably a growth for me too is sometimes the age for me is something that sort of gets me down, just like, oh, I'm this age now I can't do this or that.

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So changing that mentality is probably something I need to work on as a bit of a growth for me.

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Yeah, all right, so we always start as well when we jump out of our gratitudes and growths.

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As I said, today we're talking about star trek space, the final frontier these are the voyages of the Starship Enterprise, Its continuing mission to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations to boldly go where no one has gone before.

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Now we're not talking about any particular movie or TV show, like we usually do on the Fandom Puddles podcast.

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This time we're just talking about the fandom in general, just because you are such a big fan, and our goal in this podcast is obviously to learn something new or to grow.

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And in this episode I'm definitely going to be learning something new from you because you've been around the Star Trek pool for a little bit a while.

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So this is our first takes segment and this is where we sort of introduce and discuss how we first encountered the media, uh, what your initial impressions were, how it impacted you when you first saw it, that kind of thing.

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So if you want to start frank, how did you first come about star trek?

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Who introduced you to it?

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What makes it so enjoyable to you?

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well, in the 90s everybody's watching wrestling, all right, like I'm not into wrestling anymore, but back in the 90s it was the rock and whatever.

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And after that star trek voyager would air and so, um, we didn't have dvr kids, we didn't have streaming or anything like that.

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So you just like I had it on my little 13 inch tv in the room watching wrestling, and then I'd watch what was next and I wasn't going to get up out of bed and change it.

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So I was Star Trek and it doesn't take long for it to hook you.

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And then suddenly you're starting to explore things and learn things and then go to conventions and it starts to snowball.

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That's it.

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That's it.

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And I think I was very much a similar sort of situation to you in the way I discovered Star Trek, because I remember it being a time when I was sick, and you know, when you're sick as a kid, you fall asleep on the couch and, like, your parents, are there watching late night tv and my dad was notorious for staying up late and just watching what was on a quality I inherited, by the way, um, and just one time I woke up and he was watching this, this strange sci-fi movie it was, and um, and you know it ended up being Star Trek.

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And then from there, from that little piece of of nostalgia for me, you just see it placed in a lot of the different sort of fandoms in other areas.

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It's obviously been spoofed a few times and there's meme culture that happens, and that's literally how I kind of picked up the different iterations of Star Trek.

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I started watching a couple of episodes here and there, but then also for me, the newer movies was a really big pickup point for me.

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I think I messaged you a while ago when I started watching those movies and I said, just from like a trekkies point of view, do people kind of accept those movies, as I know they're a different sort of timeline and different sort of canon, but are they generally accepted as like a good film in the star trek sort of community?

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one thing that's great about the star trek community is it's not as toxic as like the star wars community, which is vile, uh, as much as I love it, but they are seen as a good entry point.

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The starification they always call it oh, it's a starification of star trek, where it's a lot more about cool fight scenes than it is techno babble and uh.

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So they're seen as like yeah, it's, it's cool for like a break.

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It's not real star trek.

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That classic term is not real star Trek.

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We hear it all the time too.

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Yeah.

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But it's still liked.

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I actually really like it a lot because I think it is a really good break.

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It's familiar tones and, again, I agree, it's not real Star Trek.

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Yeah, and I think it's a good jumping on point for people that might be intimidated by the backlog of Star Trek, because that's definitely something for me and something I might ask you when we jump into the Q&A segment of this podcast is you know where's the point, because it is like such a large library to go into.

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But, yeah, we might jump into our Q&A portal now.

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So thanks for walking me through Star Trek today, frank, and we might just jump in right now.

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Let's do it.

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All right.

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So my first question let's jump straight off the bat with that one.

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If you are a new person going into the Trekkie universe, where would you recommend starting for them in terms of TV shows, movies or any online reading that they might need to take up?

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Yeah, you're in a really good spot right now with Strange New Worlds.

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It's actually a prequel to the original series which aired in the 60s, and it's following Captain Pike, who is the first scene on.

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He's actually a prequel to the original series which aired in the 60s and, um, it's following captain pike, who is the first scene on.

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He's actually the pilot captain, like the very first episode, captain um.

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So you're in a really good spot and it's a return to form for a lot of trekkies.

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The reason we like it especially is because it's returned to like next generation and voyager and whatnot.

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Um, that's a really good starting point.

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If you don't mind the I will say bad graphics, bad cgi cheesiness, next generation is the gold standard of star trek.

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It's always been and always will be.

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Um, and then if you like the, if you like the old stuff, the old school sci-fi, the original series, it, there's something about it.

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It still holds up so well.

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These stories they tell in the original series are as valid today, as it were.

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Then it's amazing that's really good.

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and, um, yeah, I think the next generation was the crew of the movie that I kind of saw in that late night.

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I just get glimpses of it every now and then.

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I can't fully recall a plot or anything, but I just remember it had Kirk and it had Picard in there Two very famous captains.

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Literally called generations.

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That's actually the combination of the two of them.

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Yeah, that's a really good one, yeah.

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Yeah.

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So that one kind of intrigues me because I like the handing over of the torch kind of thing and I don't fully know how it happened.

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So obviously we're going to get into spoilers here, guys, minor spoilers.

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So if you are a person that wants to experience the Star Trek universe, all on your own, go and watch all of that and then come back and listen to this podcast.

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And then there's a few things for decks.

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For it too, we'll see in a few years.

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Yeah, exactly so.

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I'll be a little bit older and we'll see how we go, but but yeah, so.

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So with that, that sort of transition, I'll ask you about the, the enterprise obviously being it's a flagship, am I correct?

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Is that?

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Yeah, so in the um there's even a prequel series called enterprise and that's like the first ship that we send out to do federation stuff.

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Um, in the original series it's kind of the ship that we have exploring new territories, because it is the kind of the introduction to federation for new, new cultures, and in next generation they literally make it the most gorgeous, beautiful flag ship possible.

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So it's always been kind of like the first ship we put out to kind of represent the rest of the Federation.

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And in terms of the Star Trek world, if you are given the position of the captain of the Enterprise, that means you're pretty dope at your job, right.

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Yeah, that is like the quarterback of the Cowboys.

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That's kind of the most prestigious one you could be.

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Yep, yep, cool.

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And you talked about going out and exploring the universe.

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That's a federation, the United Federation of Planets.

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That's like their mission.

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I know they talk about their prime directive in some things.

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Can you explain a little bit about that?

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Oh, prime directive is delightful.

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It's a rule that's meant to be broken.

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So, first off, to explore new worlds is kind of like a through line for a lot of them, and they'll specifically have missions to do that, and Enterprise typically is the one that goes on those missions.

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There are others going on those as well.

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Other than that, it is to keep the Federation strong and protected from outside, things like Romulans or whatever.

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The Prime Directive is a fun little thing where you are not allowed to interact with cultures that have not experienced warp yet, and Earth was visited by Vulcans when they discovered Warp, and one of the movies is that too, and so that's the idea.

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But of course, every rule is meant to be broken and, infamously, the Prime Directive is constantly broken where there are things where we have to like, hey, you guys got to dress up like cavemen so you can go deal with this problem on this planet because we need a certain vegetable or whatever.

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So Prime Directive is a very important rule that's like super prime and also immediately broken yeah, yeah, and I, yeah, I think that that, um, that was something that I noticed when I was watching strange new worlds as well was that they would encounter these, these uh, let's say inferior races as they're going through, technologically speaking anyway, but they'd always sort of come to some sort of understanding where they would.

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They would come to try and help this race, but then from that they would learn, perhaps, that their intention may have been misguided by their own ideals for one Right and for two, they might have learned something that they didn't know from a culture that to them seemed technologically inferior.

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So I kind of like that about Star Trek trek because, yeah, it's, it allows them and the viewer to look at things from a different perspective constantly the best thing about sci-fi, and star trek's one of the best examples of this?

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uh is, with sci-fi, you should go away asking questions like what if they didn't interfere with this culture, how would they have developed?

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Um, what is the impact now?

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Uh, there are episodes uh, orville is kind of like a, it's a Voyager or it's a Star Trek spin-off.

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That is actually very true to Star Trek, but that one's got a great episode where they accidentally encounter with one of these cultures.

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They go back a few years later on, I found out they become gods now, and so you know what would that world be like?

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How would they develop?

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Now they're pushing for technology because they just saw it and so they want to push for technology when before they were going for survival like we did.

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And suddenly, when you push for technology, do you go more towards war?

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All kinds of things happen just because you stopped on that planet and mess things up.

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Yeah, I think I'll touch on a little bit more to do with the like the diversity thing and the culture thing here, and then I'll move to that technological question because I got one that I want to keep.

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So, with that like the diversity thing, I remember you saying that the Star Trek original series aired in the 60s, mid 60s Very different time to how it is now and I think just from looking at the original cast the is it called the holodeck crew?

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Is that what it's?

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No, the holodeck is like a place where you could do like graphic, like you know, holograms of stories.

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So yeah, it's not the holodeck crew, it's just the deck.

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Yeah, okay, yeah.

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So the crew on the deck you can see, obviously there's George Takei, who was the American Japanese, there's Uhura, who's the African American, and then there's also Chekhov, who is obviously the Russian, and then during the 1960s and going through a lot of sort of adversarial relationships, a lot of sort of adversarial relationships happening between America and a lot of these countries, but then on the TV you're also seeing these people working together in the United Federation.

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So I think in that sense it's very ahead of its time in sort of diversity speaking.

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Right, gene Roddenberry, the creator of Star Trek, way ahead of his time, very socially progressive, and he wanted to create a utopia.

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What if we all figured it out?

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And so it was an allegory for the Korean War a lot of times, and the Vietnam War.

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When, like things like the Romulans come up, or like these, like Klingons, they're always like, oh, the bad guys that we pretend to not know anything about, but actually you know, they're just humans and so, yeah, so the crew is like an ideal future, like once we get past all the stupid bigotry that we have towards the people that we're fighting.

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This is what it could look like.

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We could all be united and look how much checkoff is adding to us.

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And he's not this adversary, the spooky boogeyman that we don't actually see.

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We actually get to see him on screen.

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And uh, ahura was such a wonderful a little actually, we just passed up martin luther king day, so a little fun fact that I absolutely love ahura, played by nico.

00:15:20.610 --> 00:15:22.533
She was going to Nicole.

00:15:22.533 --> 00:15:26.159
No, nichelle was going to retire, she was going to quit the show, thought it was silly.

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And she goes to a convention and there she meets Martin Luther King and Martin Luther King talks to her and she's like, ah, I'm thinking about quitting.

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And she's like, no, I am a Trekkie.

00:15:35.986 --> 00:15:39.211
Me and my family watch Star Trek every time it's on.

00:15:39.211 --> 00:15:43.225
It's the only time we can see a black person at the equal position as the white people.

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That has, um, a commanding role.

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You have to, and that's the reason.

00:15:47.611 --> 00:15:48.874
Nichelle nichols, that's it.

00:15:48.874 --> 00:15:49.955
Okay, get the name wrong.

00:15:49.955 --> 00:15:52.687
Nichelle nichols stayed with star trek and is now.

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I've gone to conventions where people she's worshipped as an icon and somebody who brought in like what it could be, martin luther king inspired her to do that and it's so cool.

00:16:01.301 --> 00:16:16.926
We just passed up his birthday, so shout out to that yeah, it's so good how a cultural phenomenon like star trek can influence culture in in our own world, um, and I think that's really really awesome, just the way that people sort of connect with different people on the show.

00:16:16.926 --> 00:16:35.187
But then star trek also takes it a step further, because obviously they're exploring new worlds and then you start to see, uh, other alien races or or androids and things as part of the crew as well in commanding positions, like two to come to mind, obviously, data and, um, mr wharf, who's a ball?

00:16:35.187 --> 00:16:37.572
No wait is a klingon, klingon.

00:16:37.611 --> 00:16:46.634
Yes, he's no, that's okay so klingons are notoriously a um like they're they big villain of the Star Trek sort of universe, correct?

00:16:47.379 --> 00:16:55.753
Yeah, so Klingons are very warlike and if you want to like fantasy terms to kind of help people, Klingons are basically dwarves and Vulcans are basically elves.

00:16:57.640 --> 00:17:00.129
A Klingon warrior does not need the praise of his teacher.

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We Klingons are not concerned with matters of fact and circumstance.

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We Klingons are not as luxury minded as you Earthers.

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Klingons are not supposed to mind hardship.

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Klingons don't like the cold Klingons do not give up easily.

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Klingons do not give in to illness.

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A warrior does not complain about physical discomfort.

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Klingons don't call for help.

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Klingons don't faint.

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Klingons do not laugh.

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Klingons don't call for help.

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Klingons don't faint, klingons do not laugh, klingons do not express feeling, and so the Klingons are very warlike and Vulcans are very.

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All about logic, and humans are this fun little middle ground that can pull one side to the other, depending on what the story needs.

00:17:42.833 --> 00:17:45.087
So yeah, they were villains in the first one.

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They they become allies later on, but they're always on the verge of starting shit.

00:17:47.921 --> 00:17:53.368
And in strange new worlds they should still be villains, because that's that's right after big klingon war, which we would love to see on screen.

00:17:53.388 --> 00:18:07.067
But they haven't done that one yet so yeah, I think that just including that, that sort of you know um, diversity in the in the main crew of the Star Trek sort of deck is really inspirational for that.

00:18:07.067 --> 00:18:16.146
And another thing that really inspires me about Star Trek is when they're like they always talk about the fact that it's not about, like, the needs of you, it's always about the needs of the many.

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So anything that they do, they sort of frame it with that sort of capacity.

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So if they're talking about how they're going to solve a problem, the personal aspect of it really kind of comes into play.

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And I've found in A Strange New Worlds a lot where these individuals are quite willing to go and do the mission, go out into exploration, life-threatening situations, and they're quite happy to go and do that.

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And it's almost like Starfleet is the peak of human characteristic, you might say.

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So they're searching for and looking for these people In terms of Starfleet.

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Can you tell us a little bit about the people that join the process, the kind of mentality and some of the mantras that they sort of hold as part of Starfleet?

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Yeah, so Starfleet is a federation that has many planets together, but kind of at the peak essentially are those three Earth, klingon and Vulcans.

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Klingon are a newer member but they're very prominent and at the forefront is exploring and stuff like that.

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It also gives people a chance, so it could be seen as, like our Navy, it's a place to go.

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When you're a young kid wanting to do something, explore the galaxy, you could go to Starfleet.

00:19:26.434 --> 00:19:29.515
It's a great place for it and if you're engineering, there's a place for you there.

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If you're a scientist, you go there.

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Matter of fact, the shirts all have different meanings, so like, if you are, yes.

00:19:35.020 --> 00:19:35.782
I've seen this before.

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Yeah, so there's.

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In Next Generation.

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They changed a couple of shirt colors and now that's kind of the standard one, but because you're watching the prequel, it goes back to the old one, but yellow let's see, I've got them over here.

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Yellow is command, so that's like your captains, that's Pike and Kirk in those days.

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This is all for original stuff.

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Blue is science and medical, so anytime Spock is wearing blue because he's the science officer on deck and Bones is wearing blue because he's the doctor of the ship, and then you've got, uh, red, which is engineering, and then later on red and yellow switch.

00:20:10.213 --> 00:20:10.519
So red is command.

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Now yellow is operations, which is engineering, somebody who's running all the tactical stuff for shielding, and then you have blue, still being science and medical, and sometimes you'll see something weird like a green one, which means it's a hologram of the medical office.

00:20:17.108 --> 00:20:19.315
But yeah, generally those are the three ones.

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So really, anything you want to do, somebody in starfleet has a role for you and there's no money.

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So, uh, the only thing that is of value is your knowledge, your experience and your prestige, and so things like you know, captaining enterprise isn't going to get get you more pay, because that's not a thing, but you're the captain of enterprise, like you get a little bit more in the room, so yeah no pay man, that is that's.

00:20:43.571 --> 00:20:53.721
That's probably one of the concepts that I have picked up and it's one of the most interesting ones to me, because so many societies these days obviously run on currency and I'm like Starfleet doesn't run on currency.

00:20:53.721 --> 00:20:58.517
Is that something that's adopted by the planet Earth as a whole in the future, or is it just Starfleet that does that?

00:20:59.069 --> 00:21:04.460
Well, earth as a whole, because there are people in Starfleet that do have money, so the Ferengi, for example.

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I believe they're officially part of Starfleet but the Ferengi are overly capitalistic and have, like, the rules of acquisitions.

00:21:10.463 --> 00:21:13.196
It's so much fun but they're, like you know, to a fault.

00:21:13.196 --> 00:21:20.351
But what happened in the Starfleet lore is we had a big war with genetically enhanced people and then we had a big war.

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We had World War III and that was a nuclear war and in that one we bombed the heck out of each other and I think we lost 3 million people in that war in Star Trek lore.

00:21:28.700 --> 00:21:39.811
And then after that they decided to unify under like, yeah, you're France and yeah, we're America and yeah, that one's Australia, but we're also a united government as well, and that's when they go into the Federation mode.

00:21:39.811 --> 00:21:43.057
So yeah, earth B is now a united thing that doesn't need money anymore because everybody's working together.

00:21:43.057 --> 00:21:45.800
After the events of world war iii they lost too many people.

00:21:45.961 --> 00:21:57.718
It was too devastating to go back to that yeah, I think, yeah, when you're looking to the stars and you know your, your allies become greater, it also means that your, your enemies may become greater as well.

00:21:57.718 --> 00:22:07.703
So it's a big perspective shift and for for gene roddenberry and the creators of star trek to sort of notice that and see that and be aspirational in terms of what Earth will do in an encounter like that.

00:22:07.703 --> 00:22:11.900
Yeah, in Strange New Worlds at the moment I've just sort of encountered the Illyrians.

00:22:11.900 --> 00:22:13.373
Are those the genetically modified?

00:22:14.055 --> 00:22:15.558
Yeah, that's the term they're giving it to him.

00:22:15.558 --> 00:22:16.321
Really it's Khan.

00:22:16.321 --> 00:22:41.190
So her dad, I think is her dad, is Khan and he's like the genetically engineered guy and he has his guys that are the same way as people, and Star Trek two the movie is all about him and he's from the original series as well, but he's like just as charismatic, all around, better than you and everything, because he genetically perfect that way and because we were making them in in the lower in the mid 21st century, uh, they, uh.

00:22:41.190 --> 00:22:43.876
They ended up becoming a problem and started a war and there was a big war.

00:22:44.198 --> 00:22:51.402
Now it's outlawed to genetically engineer anything, but the problem is sometimes that's medically advanced, like medically needed, and so what do you do?

00:22:51.402 --> 00:22:52.976
You know it's a tough thing.

00:22:52.976 --> 00:22:59.609
It's everything in Star Trek like sci-fi, but Star Trek's the best of it is it's a lens from what we do today onto the future.

00:22:59.609 --> 00:23:06.403
So you kind of like you know, analyze without hurting anybody's feelings, and obviously this is all about alienating people for no reason and stuff like that.

00:23:06.403 --> 00:23:17.257
Like the genetically enhanced people would be equivalent to somebody who has some sort of uh, disability or more, whatever malformity that we would, we would just talk bad about or we would automatically alienate.

00:23:17.257 --> 00:23:17.838
We don't need to.

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That doesn't make them lesser or more than us.

00:23:20.434 --> 00:23:29.432
We could be all united, you know yeah, yeah, no, I feel that as well, because, um, speaking of khan as well, obviously, played by played by Benedict Cumberbatch in the movies that's, that's how.

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I know him.

00:23:31.219 --> 00:23:34.559
Yeah, and yeah, he's definitely sort of this superior being.

00:23:34.559 --> 00:23:38.930
Star Trek 2 was the movie that he sort of was introduced in let's.

00:23:38.930 --> 00:23:40.372
Let's move on to the movies now.

00:23:40.372 --> 00:23:49.445
If we're talking about that, that handover between the original series and the next generation, I was always curious about how Kirk left his position.

00:23:49.445 --> 00:23:59.300
Well, firstly, how he gained his position as captain, because it's explained in the Star Trek movies with Christopher Pine or Chris Pine, but I'm not sure if that's the true Star Trek logic sort of way.

00:23:59.300 --> 00:24:05.356
And then he obviously relinquishes command and Picard sort of comes in as well.

00:24:05.356 --> 00:24:05.876
Who's like?

00:24:05.876 --> 00:24:12.855
That's almost like going from one really great quarterback to another really great quarterback, exactly Back to back, like the Green Bay Packers do.

00:24:13.790 --> 00:24:15.336
I was going to say Packers, honestly.

00:24:15.778 --> 00:24:17.143
Yeah, they're my boys.

00:24:17.143 --> 00:24:23.973
So, yeah, if you're talking about how those captains sort of transition, that was the scene that I remember.

00:24:23.973 --> 00:24:29.189
It was almost like a flashing white sort of scene on the screen and picard and kirk have their hands up in the air.

00:24:29.189 --> 00:24:32.623
That's just like the flash that comes back from childhood, yeah, so how does that occur?

00:24:32.623 --> 00:24:34.212
How does kirk relinquish command of picard?

00:24:35.115 --> 00:24:35.336
takes.

00:24:35.336 --> 00:24:43.897
So yeah, uh, they kind of use the movie to kind of patch the two together because it's not explained at the end of the end of, uh, the original series.

00:24:43.897 --> 00:24:47.263
I don't even think Picard's the next one in Enterprise, because it's a different ship.

00:24:47.263 --> 00:24:51.242
Enterprise D and Enterprise B, they're just upgraded ships.

00:24:51.242 --> 00:24:52.089
There's different ones with names.

00:24:52.089 --> 00:24:56.210
So I don't think there's ever actually an official passing of the torch between the two of them.

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They don't have any.

00:24:56.972 --> 00:25:04.363
But that movie they put them back and that was a timey-wimey thing where they kind of like with time travel, made it work because they're like a hundred years art, something like that.

00:25:04.363 --> 00:25:17.477
So, um, but generally, yeah, so the better example would be like pike and kirk, because you're currently watching that right now, strange new worlds and in the in the newer movies or whatever it was kind of seen, where like pike saw something in kirk that other he didn't see in other people.

00:25:17.477 --> 00:25:24.000
That's kind of what happens in the show as well you're gonna be my first officer.

00:25:29.799 --> 00:25:30.844
Yeah, Marcus took some convincing.

00:25:34.402 --> 00:25:36.309
But every now and then I can make a good case.

00:25:36.309 --> 00:25:37.809
What did you tell him?

00:25:40.136 --> 00:25:57.282
The truth that I believe in you, that if anybody deserves a second chance.

00:25:57.282 --> 00:25:57.702
It's jim kirk.

00:25:57.702 --> 00:25:59.546
I don't know what to say.

00:25:59.586 --> 00:26:07.545
That is the first it's gonna be, okay, so where pike sees that kirk has that leadership.

00:26:07.545 --> 00:26:10.170
Um, uh, what's that intangible?

00:26:10.611 --> 00:26:11.614
that others don't have.

00:26:11.614 --> 00:26:22.705
Like, spock is close, but he's missing the humanity that sometimes you need, that compassion that you need to lead a ship, and we see later on there's a lot of hulkins that run ships that do fantastic, but you know, um, it's something that's kind of just missing.

00:26:22.705 --> 00:26:24.151
And yeah, so it's.

00:26:24.151 --> 00:26:29.134
It's all about picking that right person that you feel is going to be a great commander, and Kirk has this.

00:26:29.134 --> 00:26:30.619
Every captain is so unique.

00:26:30.619 --> 00:26:32.136
It's so fun to delve into the different captains.

00:26:32.136 --> 00:26:35.519
One of the constant little debates we do is like oh, which is the best captain?

00:26:35.519 --> 00:26:35.941
Blah, blah, blah.

00:26:35.941 --> 00:26:39.311
And Kirk is very good in a lot of ways and he's forceful.

00:26:39.311 --> 00:26:43.717
He's also very compassionate and I think he's one of the more human of the captains.

00:26:43.717 --> 00:26:49.845
Like he, he is very much seeing the um, maybe not what the rules will say, but what you actually deserve He'll.

00:26:49.845 --> 00:26:50.346
He'll get that.

00:26:51.549 --> 00:26:56.542
And speaking of the captains, I really like the way that they've sort of represented Pike in strange new worlds.

00:26:56.542 --> 00:27:02.337
I don't know if he's had a previous sort of iteration, but in this one here, the actor that plays him, I don't have his answer now.

00:27:02.678 --> 00:27:03.819
Yeah, yeah, he's.

00:27:03.819 --> 00:27:11.498
He's brilliant in terms of his demeanor as a captain Like he's he's so calm but also the way he interacts with his crew.

00:27:11.498 --> 00:27:20.012
I know he's acting, but I really feel like he cares for these, these people, like he's just got that sort of it's just like a nuance in the way that he acts and he doesn't overplay it.

00:27:20.012 --> 00:27:20.353
He, he speaks.

00:27:20.353 --> 00:27:23.415
He speaks to them personally and he asks them personal questions, that kind of thing.

00:27:23.415 --> 00:27:28.340
So for my very biased point of view, having only seen a little bit of Star Trek, captain Pike's probably my favorite right now.

00:27:28.340 --> 00:27:30.342
Who's yours and why?

00:27:30.762 --> 00:27:35.567
Janeway, for it's always everybody's first Star Trek captain, really Mine's Janeway from Voyager.

00:27:35.567 --> 00:28:07.869
But with Pike the thing I noticed, as somebody who knows all the captains, is he's the most personable no-transcript.

00:28:08.270 --> 00:28:12.498
Poignant technology in human advancements took us to the stars.

00:28:12.498 --> 00:28:18.178
It seems to be the changing point, as you spoke about, for many sort of civilizations along the way.

00:28:18.178 --> 00:28:21.855
Right, how was it introduced to Earth and humans?

00:28:21.855 --> 00:28:27.201
And obviously the impact of that we can see through through star trek.

00:28:27.201 --> 00:28:30.901
So the trajectory from there is explosive um.

00:28:31.061 --> 00:28:34.355
So, uh, cochran is the name of the guy who developed warp for humans.

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And as soon as you develop warp, then the federation welcomes you in, because once you have warp you're gonna find us.

00:28:38.739 --> 00:28:41.730
So we have to like, let's, let's introduce you before you find us.

00:28:41.730 --> 00:28:47.894
And then there's a problem, um, and so, uh, cochran, cochran invented it, vulcans came in the board.

00:28:47.894 --> 00:28:54.982
Go back in time to try to mess that up and um for every, every everybody who discovers warp after that, of course, is introduced as well.

00:28:55.484 --> 00:29:02.631
Um, the idea is that you could now travel between the stars at a reasonable rate, and warp has a range of one to ten for the most part.

00:29:02.631 --> 00:29:07.796
A lot of ships will go nowadays like around 5, because there's actually like pollution damage beyond 5.

00:29:07.796 --> 00:29:11.594
Some of the newer ships they say that they have a way of making that to where it's not a problem.

00:29:11.594 --> 00:29:15.755
Voyager, usually, because it's trying to get back home, is going around 8 or 9.

00:29:15.755 --> 00:29:29.884
And then, if you go beyond 10, voyager's gone beyond 10 one time and it actually made it to where they were technically everywhere all at once and it's actually one of the worst episodes.

00:29:29.884 --> 00:29:30.810
Jokingly bad, everybody talks about how bad it is.

00:29:30.810 --> 00:29:33.453
Um, and then I think next generation has gone beyond 10 but like canon changed a little bit and they were going like 10.5 and it's like, oh, new warp engine.

00:29:33.453 --> 00:29:36.044
But voyager's done that as well and it actually messed things up.

00:29:36.044 --> 00:29:42.618
So it's depends on which canon you want to go with on that one so yeah, you said it was created by a man called cochran.

00:29:43.119 --> 00:29:47.497
Yeah, is he in a movie or is it just an episode, because I remember seeing him up, just got him up here.

00:29:47.497 --> 00:29:53.000
Yeah, he's played by James Cromwell, yeah, who famously played Farmer Hoggart in Babe Great movie.

00:29:53.000 --> 00:30:00.800
And yeah, from that episode or that movie that I remember he was kind of a backyard scientist.

00:30:00.800 --> 00:30:01.422
Is that correct?

00:30:01.422 --> 00:30:06.050
Yep, yeah, yeah, yeah scientist.

00:30:06.070 --> 00:30:06.413
Is that correct?

00:30:06.413 --> 00:30:06.894
Yep, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:30:06.894 --> 00:30:07.257
Kind of crazy guy.

00:30:07.257 --> 00:30:15.778
Kind of kind of crazy guy building his own little thing and then suddenly it's like oh, you're making first contact by accident, um, and then so the borg, who is my favorite, literally like my computer's, designed around the board, uh, one of the best villains.

00:30:15.778 --> 00:30:17.868
They are having a hard time with humans.

00:30:17.868 --> 00:30:22.076
There's just such a thorn in their side so they go back in time, time travels.

00:30:22.076 --> 00:30:28.791
Uh, often, uh, mcguffin and star trek, I go back in time to try to stop him from discovering warp, because then humans won't be part of the federation and they have a lot easier time taking over.

00:30:28.791 --> 00:30:31.865
They won't have that pesky kirk in their way or that pesky card in their way.

00:30:31.885 --> 00:30:42.618
Usually picard picard's the one that's really introduced the board yeah, yeah, actually that's another one that I remember it was a, I think it was is it genesis, where picard sort of gets taken?

00:30:42.618 --> 00:30:53.278
That was probably one of the scariest movies that I saw growing up was when the Borg was introduced as a villain and they started to take the crew and then obviously ingrain them into their ship, technologically speaking.

00:30:53.278 --> 00:31:05.575
And then from there and from a few of the episodes that I've seen of Next Generation or some things that happened afterwards, it was almost like he was traumatized by that, or there's a lingering yeah, it's so good.

00:31:05.675 --> 00:31:10.894
Yeah, so it's one of the cliffhangers, like season two or whatever the cliffhanger is.

00:31:10.894 --> 00:31:12.338
You see him get taken into the board.

00:31:12.338 --> 00:31:13.575
Your captain is now in the board.

00:31:13.575 --> 00:31:19.411
He's look, cutest is his new name, and he's telling him, like resistance is futile, I'm going to go ahead and kill Enterprise.

00:31:19.411 --> 00:31:23.355
And then there's a cliffhanger and Reich's in charge and he moves over to the next season.

00:31:23.355 --> 00:31:27.759
It's fine, but that is an allegory for post-traumatic stress disorder.

00:31:27.759 --> 00:31:34.465
From then on out, picard has to deal with PTSD, and even in his own series that he had recently, the Picard series has three seasons.

00:31:34.465 --> 00:31:44.662
That's the thing that kind of keeps coming up is this PTSD he has from when he was a locutus and seeing, because you share a hive mind with millions upon millions of these drones and it can really mess you up.

00:31:45.403 --> 00:31:52.740
Yeah, I think I'm drawing parallels to the replicators from Star Trek in that sort of regard, from Stargate in that regard.

00:31:52.740 --> 00:32:05.653
But yeah, I think that sort of just gave depth to his character, because from what I saw in the first couple episodes of Next Generation that I watched, he was kind of he seems to be very much a stickler for the rules kind of thing, as the captain, to me at least.

00:32:05.653 --> 00:32:15.678
And then, yeah, combining him with, with other sort of characters on that deck, they're more like the uh, uh, the oh, what's the word I'm looking for?

00:32:15.678 --> 00:32:27.805
More like the, the golden childs of the, of the starfleet, where they, they don't break so many rules, as opposed to k, who was obviously Pike, saw in him a nature of roguishness, you might say.

00:32:29.191 --> 00:32:31.897
Well, the Star Trek original series days with Kirk.

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It was much more the Wild West out there, so he had to really shoot from the hip a lot of times.

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The things he pioneered would lead to the ability to have a more structured system like what Picard has.

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So you had to have one kind of forge, the pathway, so that there's a path for the other ones to follow.

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That's kind of the benefit.

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With those two there's no real best captain.

00:32:49.977 --> 00:32:55.172
While that debate's always fun, they all had their own fate, like Janeway had to.

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She was thrown into another quadrant 70 years away from home.

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They had to fly 70 years to get back home.

00:33:00.950 --> 00:33:02.593
That's Deep Space Nine, is it no that?

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was Voyager, yeah, and then in Deep Space Nine situation, it's a station that's in the middle of a war, like on a break, like in between two warring factions, and so you had to have like diplomacy and sometimes you had to bring out the big weapons to fight off the enemies who were approaching too far, like it was much more of a wartime series.

00:33:18.472 --> 00:33:24.420
So each captain had very different scenarios that they had to deal with, and that was Cisco doing that one, and yeah, so it's.

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It's always fun to kind of see how they handle the situation and how they act with their crew.

00:33:28.586 --> 00:33:42.961
Yeah, it's such an expansive world building experience as well you and I both being Dungeons and Dragons lovers obviously it takes a lot to sort of place things in your world and have them just sort of grow and expand, and then obviously you're creating this massive thing, massive thing.

00:33:42.961 --> 00:33:47.291
How much did Gene Roddenberry actually create in terms of that?

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And then obviously people sort of took it on afterwards in terms of that.

00:33:51.453 --> 00:33:56.810
Gene made the first one, he made the first movies and then he did a lot of the development for Next Generation before he passed.

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His son is still he's part of the Roddenberry Foundation and still a very active contributor to the Star Trek fandom.

00:34:03.460 --> 00:34:17.717
So a lot of Next Generation has this signature on it and I would say, like the Discovery, which is everybody's least favorite, Star Trek is definitely like the biggest departure from them, Although it still has the same goals in mind.

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But yeah, Yep, if we're talking about because we mentioned time travel before as a constant sort of theme, there are some, some shows and series and movies that really do that well and there's others that just really just sort of flop it.

00:34:33.393 --> 00:34:38.771
So, through star trek, what are some of the ways they've sort of approached time travel?

00:34:38.771 --> 00:34:45.789
Uh, through their series and and how is it sort of you know how they always say if you go back and you step on a butterfly, then a thousand people are going to die.

00:34:45.789 --> 00:34:49.336
Like, how does it sort of tackle that issue in terms of time travel in Star Trek?

00:34:49.929 --> 00:34:54.932
One of the best parts about Star Trek is they have a TVA and everybody knows about it, so they have.

00:34:54.932 --> 00:34:56.498
I think it's the 29th century.

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There's a version of Star Trek.

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They have their own like time, authority, whatever.

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And so while you're learning through Starfleet, when you're going to the actual academy, there are classes like if you run into a future person, this is what you do, you know, help them, but don't learn anything, and stuff like that.

00:35:14.375 --> 00:35:18.456
So it's, it's a well known thing that you're going to run into, you might run into some time traveling people.

00:35:19.793 --> 00:35:23.097
You just want to know the lotto numbers yeah, but that's always a fun.

00:35:23.269 --> 00:35:26.797
Of course, every rule that you say is a rule that's eventually broken, so, uh, that's.

00:35:26.797 --> 00:35:34.661
That's the really fun thing about it is, um, other sci-fi stuff starts, or time travel is always a surprise, but in this one it's like, uh, voyager.

00:35:34.661 --> 00:35:41.994
There's one episode where it's like, hey guys, everybody off the deck, we've got a time travel thing we got to deal with, and it's like people for the future gonna come in and do something real quick to save the future.

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It's fine.

00:35:42.574 --> 00:35:44.918
One of my favorite weapons, too, is a.

00:35:44.918 --> 00:35:53.989
There's a missile that's developed that can go through shielding, and what it is is it's constantly in a state of time flux, and so it's like both here and there at the same time.

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So the shielding doesn't know what to stop, and it can get to the shielding and it's like, ah then you have to do temporal shielding and yeah, oh my gosh, yeah, it's such a special kind of brain to come up with things like that, because, like the terminology and things that they're using in Strange New Worlds alone is like that's a very sci fi centric sort of brain and knowing the sort of systems and making it sound believable.

00:36:18.382 --> 00:36:24.498
I don't know if physicists or scientists watch this as well, whether they're watching and you know, giving their opinion on the show and liaising with the people, but man, it sounds so legit.

00:36:26.409 --> 00:36:27.454
Yeah, and the best ones have the most of it.

00:36:27.454 --> 00:36:31.106
So they all call it techno babble, right, and it's uh, you could rattle it off.

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Definitely next generation voyager were the best, best at it.

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